Do you love gated shifters, but hate clutch pedals?

"WilliamsSW" (williamssw) 11/21/2018 at 15:29 • Filed to: Bring A Trailer, Ferrari, Gated Manual

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Then I have just the car for you!

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The Valeo 5-speed automated-manual transmission allows the driver to control gears through a gated shifter without the use of a clutch pedal.

Something I never knew existed - and apparently they only shipped 18 like this to the US.

Tristan > WilliamsSW 11/21/2018 at 15:37

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Basically VW Autostick?

Cé hé sin > WilliamsSW 11/21/2018 at 15:39

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Yes, they were a thing just before they went for the F1 automated manual. Several other makers used them in the late 90s and early 2000s - Saab, Merc, Renault, Fiat.

Valeo are a French component maker who do all manner of bits including clutches.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > WilliamsSW 11/21/2018 at 15:44

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Discount Tire wouldn’t transfer the tires from my ‘89 pickup to my ‘80 pickup, though the wheels were the exact same size. Les Schuab did it for like $150.

Where the hell am I

WilliamsSW > Tristan 11/21/2018 at 15:44

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Seems like it?  Which means you probably have to lift to shift, I suppose?

Cé hé sin > Tristan 11/21/2018 at 15:44

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Nearly, but without the torque converter.

BvdV - The Dutch Engineer > WilliamsSW 11/21/2018 at 15:44

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Reminds me of the transmission in the NSU Ro80 which uses a vacuum sensor on the stick to operate the clutch. I think this basically uses a computerised version of that, very cool!

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > WilliamsSW 11/21/2018 at 15:45

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I’d rock it

HammerheadFistpunch > WilliamsSW 11/21/2018 at 15:45

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Here it is in action in the RUF

Also available in SAAB

http://hooniverse.com/2013/01/21/used-car-reviews-1996-saab-900s-turbo-sensonic/

WilliamsSW > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 11/21/2018 at 15:45

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Probably a reply to the wrong person? 

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > WilliamsSW 11/21/2018 at 15:46

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Wow yeah, was trying to reply to the fella with the IS-F tire problem...

Chariotoflove > WilliamsSW 11/21/2018 at 15:47

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How am I just now finding out about this?  This transmission was invented for me!  Imagine how many people I could mess with getting into a seemingly manual Ferrari.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 11/21/2018 at 15:47

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and you still got ripped of.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 11/21/2018 at 15:48

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Yes I did, but no one else would do it.

WilliamsSW > Chariotoflove 11/21/2018 at 15:48

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I was thinking of you when I posted this - it’s on BAT, and local to me, so let me know if you need me to check it out!!!!!!!

Cé hé sin > HammerheadFistpunch 11/21/2018 at 15:51

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To say nothing of the Merc A class, Renault Mégane and Fiat Seicento.

Here’s a Seicento Citymatic. I haven’t seen one in years, they weren’t popular used.

Chariotoflove > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 11/21/2018 at 15:52

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Tipping a bit early on Blackout Wednesday, I see.

Chariotoflove > WilliamsSW 11/21/2018 at 15:55

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Aww, thanks! You definitely need to check it out. If I’m the excuse you need to do it, then you have my enthusiastic  permission. Don’t let the fact that I could never afford it dissuade you in the least, and be sure to report back in detail.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > WilliamsSW 11/21/2018 at 15:56

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I recall reading about the Valeo trans when they first came out. I don’t think they’re universally regarded as bulletproof. Caveat emptor.

winterlegacy, here 'till the end > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 11/21/2018 at 15:57

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You just got hit by the Kinja auto-scroll BS. Since it loads another article, you more than likely replied to this one.

Fucking Kinja, man.

Cé hé sin > BvdV - The Dutch Engineer 11/21/2018 at 16:02

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One difference though: the S achs unit in the Ro80 and Citroen CX (originally designed for the same rotary) used a torque converter for starting while the various 1990s/2000s two pedal designs used automated clutches.

WilliamsSW > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 11/21/2018 at 16:47

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Leading edge technology in a Ferrari? What could go wrong?

WilliamsSW > Chariotoflove 11/21/2018 at 19:44

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Oh you could probably afford it. This is about as undesirable a Ferrari a you’ll ever find.

Maintaining it, now that’s a whole different story...

Chariotoflove > WilliamsSW 11/21/2018 at 19:47

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Bid’s up over $ 12k. I could afford it if the kid actually gets the swimming scholarship she fantasizes about. And my expenses would be less, since I’d be divorced...

... Lemme think about it.

BvdV - The Dutch Engineer > Cé hé sin 11/21/2018 at 23:16

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You’re right, I forgot about that. The Citroën CX version  was called C-matic, right? There was at least one in the CX collection/hoard/barn I visited earlier this year

pip bip - choose Corrour > WilliamsSW 11/22/2018 at 05:12

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finding parts for it would be “fun”

Cé hé sin > BvdV - The Dutch Engineer 11/22/2018 at 07:11

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That’s the one. It was used on NSU and Citroën rotaries to make up for the lack of torque. The CX used it for a few years before switching to a conventional automatic but I think the GS/GSA kept it for longer. I think the hydraulic semi automatic on the DS may have been called C Matic for a while as well.  

Cé hé sin > WilliamsSW 11/22/2018 at 07:13

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No Ferrari is undesirable now. As the prices of popular models soar people move on to the likes of the Mondial. You've missed your chance for a cheap one.

WilliamsSW > Cé hé sin 11/22/2018 at 09:17

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Well, relative to other Ferraris it’s undesirable.  I have never really desired one of these, personally, so I just scratch my head at the prices. 

WilliamsSW > Chariotoflove 11/22/2018 at 09:18

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$20k now, and a long time to go.  Nevermind.